Tuesday, September 26, 2006

John McCain Doesn't Get It

But Ann Coulter clearly does.

It turns out, the only reason McCain is demanding that prisoners like Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed — mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, the beheading of journalist
Daniel Pearl and other atrocities — be treated like Martha Stewart facing an
insider trading charge is this: "It's all about the United States of America and
what is going to happen to Americans who are taken prisoner in future wars."

Being nice has never worked. It hasn't worked raising your children and it hasn't worked with the criminal element. It hasn't worked and there is no indication it ever will. Ann gets it.

But being nice to enemies is an idea that has never worked, no matter how many
times liberals make us do it. It didn't work with the Soviet Union, Imperial
Japan, Hitler or the North Vietnamese — enemies notable for being more civilized
than the Islamic savages we are at war with today.

Yeah, Ann can get a bit carried away from time to time. But, she is fun to read and seems to understand this issue quite clearly.

Just an observation.


At 12:02 PM, Blogger Sir Loin of Beef said...

So, we are then seeking some justification for doing harm to prisoners of war? Frankly, I find that McCain of all people probably can talk about this more intelligently than you or me or Ann Coulter. And I find no positive to condoning dishonorable treatment of prisoners. The only outcome can be that we have made ourselves dishonorable. All of this high and mighty morality-speak from the right still boils down to this: We are moral and you are not and this gives us justification to do violence. I find it distasteful. War is bad enough without us degrading ourselves to the level of petty bullies and thugs.

At 2:30 PM, Blogger RightWingRocker said...


It boils down to: You attacked us and killed many of our countrymen. We will do everything in our power to stop you from doing it again - permanently if possible.

If cranking up some Red Hot Chili Peppers is going to be called torture, I wonder what they will call suicide bombings, hijackings, and beheadings. Maybe "humane treatment"?

Seems likely given this crowd of imbeciles on the Left.


At 8:03 PM, Blogger Sir Loin of Beef said...

Degrading our behavior degrades us. It is that simple. Once again, I admire your name-calling. It lends so much credibility to your argument.

At 8:07 PM, Blogger Sir Loin of Beef said...

Oh and just for the record, you are only agreeing with me when I say that the right thinks they are morally superior and are thus justified to degrade their treatment of prisoners when you say:

"You attacked us and killed many of our countrymen. We will do everything in our power to stop you from doing it again - permanently if possible."

You are saying exactly what I said you would. They are morally wrong and we are morally right. Our actions are then justified, no matter how much we degrade and embarrass ourselves.

I choose to believe that if we are to stop terrorists, we can do it with honor. No one is arguing that we shouldn't try to stop terrorism. We are only saying, don't make our country look like the people we hope to defeat.

At 9:13 PM, Blogger Ol' BC said...

I don't think it's necessary in any way, shape or form to degrade ourselves not to be nice to prisoners (detainees in the p.c. world). No matter how nice we are or how honorable we are these folks are never going to compare. They behead people and video it for broadcast. Their values are totally different. That isn't going to change. Eventually, they will push to the point of a major confrontation. Until then, we'll have what we have.

At 7:22 AM, Blogger Sir Loin of Beef said...

I agree. The problem is one of precedence, I guess. Once we take a step toward in humanity, how long will it take to either rebound or continue down the road to complete indecency?

I am not really comparing our actions to their's. What I am saying is that it is a slippery slope.

Like so many things that our government does, warring against terrorists is not going to rid the world of terrorists. In this way we are only treating symptoms of a problem. I have said this for years. Now, with recent evidence of more Jihadists, it appears that I was right. We must get at the underlying causes. We have not done this.

At 4:40 PM, Blogger RightWingRocker said...

By responding in kind to these terrorists, we have honored those who fought for our freedom in all of our previous conflicts.

We would be degrading ourselved had we just sat idly by like we had done for 25 years. At some point, you just have to fight back. Pacifism has never won a war, nor has it ever stopped a terrorist.

I will stand firm that to defend oneself against an aggressive enemy is morally superior to the belligerent slaughter of innocents. Yes, Beef, we ARE morally superior to the terrorists. Of course, so is pond scum. Our actions ARE justified, and we are not denegrading or embarrassing ourselves by doing so. The ones being dengraded and embarrassed are those who are too stupid/naive to understand that terrorism will only be beaten by destroying the terrorists and/or their will to fight.

We ARE fighting the terrorists with honor, just as we did Hitler and Mussolini. The dishonorable ones are the French, who side with the terrorists at every turn, the Spanish, who cut and run, and those who would do the same.

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass how many more Islamofascist Jihadists show their ugly faces. Better that they do it now so that we can kill them and be done with it - BEFORE they kill more of us again, which WILL happen. The underlying cause - the spread of Islamofascist philosophy in the world - is being dealt with. Their excuses (the Pope calling a spade a spade, Israel's existence) are just that - excuses. The reason they do what they do, Beef, is to force everyone in the world. including you and me, to convert to their sorry excuse for a religion.

Your position begs the question - What will you do when they put the sword to YOUR throat? That's exactly what they plan to do, Israel or no Israel.


At 7:43 PM, Blogger Sir Loin of Beef said...

How can I argue with such logic? I am stunned. No words will suffice.


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